Forum: Inkscape is one svg document per document enough?

hello

sorry if you already discussed this...

i was thinking about how to simulate pages with svg capabilities and
inkscape features. i am also in the need to create text forms that are
empty by default and don't shrink to the size of the input. i also
understand that svg has no rules to solve these problems and probably
never will, but...

is svg meant to solve higher order layout problems or is a tool like
inkscape wrong if it only bases on one svg document per document/file?
what would w3c say to this? do they think that multiple pages in a
document are to be defined as multiple svg documents in one xml
document? are text forms to be programmed with python or javascript or
should one integrate other standards like xhtml or xforms?

what do you think?

maledetto <maledetto@online.de>

I always felt that svg, with multiple pages would be great as a 
replacement for other multi page layout formats (more secure than pdf, 
more easily manipulatable than doc), but I'm sure there are many 
implementation details of both of those formats that I am neglecting 
that are irreplaceable to the academic and business applications that 
may have special uses for them.

Inkscape's broader purpose is as a drawing program, so mixing both 
drawing and text document editing into a single application would muddle 
the interface and functionality.


kyle m. reynolds (mac os x, c++)
canvas foundation, designer (yukikito)
class of 2014, school of electrical engineering and computer science 
(university of central florida)
On Aug 28, 2010 10:23 PM, maledetto@online.de 
<maledetto@online.de> wrote:

hello



sorry if you already discussed this...



i was thinking about how to simulate pages with svg capabilities and

inkscape features. i am also in the need to create text forms that are

empty by default and don't shrink to the size of the input. i also

understand that svg has no rules to solve these problems and probably

never will, but...



is svg meant to solve higher order layout problems or is a tool like

inkscape wrong if it only bases on one svg document per document/file?

what would w3c say to this? do they think that multiple pages in a

document are to be defined as multiple svg documents in one xml

document? are text forms to be programmed with python or javascript or

should one integrate other standards like xhtml or xforms?



what do you think?



maledetto <maledetto@online.de>



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On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:13:07 -0400
"Kyle Reynolds" <kyle@canvasfoundation.org> wrote:


 Inkscape's broader purpose is as a drawing program, so mixing both
> drawing and text document editing into a single application would
> muddle the interface and functionality.

i would have agreed to this some years ago. but today i'd rather go with
this hands-on approach inkscape provides than with the nutshell approach
of abiword or the like. i'd actually drop all those office tools, except
of gnumeric, for a tool like inkscape that at least provided a bit of
PageMaker. i don't expect QuarkExpress, really not!

the reason is that the inkscape-way is, from my point of view, like the
excel-way, the more generic and thus the more powerful way of doing
things. if this generic way is restricted because of the specialized
interface, this forces me to search for a second tool that is to 90%
like inkscape. it will be the same fat and slow to compile, the same
complex and it will mainly solve the same technical problems
internally. should only the interface enforce several implementations?
i question this.

another way is to separate the masks from the core so that a PageMaker
could settle on it. but, two different projects will lead to two
incompatible file formats, i guess.

well, you decide.

maledetto <maledetto@online.de>

On 10-08-28 11:13 PM, Kyle Reynolds wrote:
>
That would be docBook, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DocBook>, an XML
way of laying out documents.  I don't think Inkscape should do this too.


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On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 07:21:00 -0400
Shawn H Corey <shawnhcorey@gmail.com> wrote:


> > Inkscape's broader purpose is as a drawing program, so mixing both
> > drawing and text document editing into a single application would
> > muddle the interface and functionality.
> >
> 
> That would be docBook, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DocBook>, an XML 
> way of laying out documents.  I don't think Inkscape should do this
> too.

aehhm, DocBook is something very different from what i am targeting at
because it supports dynamic and themed layout instead of sticking to
fix layout. it is a real meta-format. i'd rather go with PageMaker. if
you mention DocBook because of multi-pages, as said, one can embed
multiple svg documents into one xml/svg document.

maledetto <maledetto@online.de>

On 10-08-29 09:43 AM, maledetto@online.de wrote:
> aehhm, DocBook is something very different from what i am targeting at
> because it supports dynamic and themed layout instead of sticking to
> fix layout. it is a real meta-format. i'd rather go with PageMaker. if
> you mention DocBook because of multi-pages, as said, one can embed
> multiple svg documents into one xml/svg document.

DocBook can also do static, plain-vanilla documents.  The question is
whether or not Inkscape should do more than just create pictures.  I
don't think so.  There are plenty of other FLOSS that can do this.
DocBook if you want to stay in XML, Scribus for for desktop publishing,
AbiWord or Open Office Word for word processing.  The question is:  What
do you want to do with multiple SVGs in one file?


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as it is about coding.

The secret to great software:  Fail early & often.

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