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Hello:

Big Inkscape fan, but stuck on 0.44

Does anyone know where I can download
prebuilt versions of Inkscape for Linux RedHat #4.

I tried to build my own but very quickly
found myself in deep, library dependency hell.

Thanks.

Bill

On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 09:17 -0500, william.crocker@analog.com wrote:
> Big Inkscape fan, but stuck on 0.44
> 
> Does anyone know where I can download
> prebuilt versions of Inkscape for Linux RedHat #4.
> 
> I tried to build my own but very quickly
> found myself in deep, library dependency hell.

Hi William!

I dunno if this is going to help you at all, but I figure it might be
worth a try - and someone else might pop up with better advice if it
doesn't.

Fedora Inkscape packages are here... and they go back a little while, so
might work with your version of Red Hat.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/inkscape

Various RPM binaries are here...
http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3?stat=3&search=inkscape&srodzaj=3

But you might find you actually need to upgrade Red Hat to get a newer
version of Inkscape that works.

Good Luck!

cheers
Donna

--
Donna Benjamin - kattekrab.net

Inkscape: Open Source Scalable Vector Graphics
http://www.inkscape.org

Bill;

You're hitting the same wall that we hit here at my company last year.
We run RHEL4 on thousands of workstations, and spent many, many hours
trying to get 0.46 to build for our standard image. We also spent many
hours trying to find a prebuilt package with no luck.

One of our Linux gurus finally came up with a build script that worked
so that we could deploy 0.46. Unfortunately, he has left the company and
when I tried using his script to build 0.47 a few days ago, it ran into
different dependencies than he'd resolved for 0.46. And I don't have the
time to chase those dependencies. Our Linux team is getting ready to
upgrade the company to RHEL5 over the next few months, so for now we're
on hold with 0.47, hoping it will build with RHEL5 the first time.

Not the message you're looking for, but at least you know you're not
alone!  ;^)

Regards,
Bob

Beims Bob-RWBC70 wrote:
> different dependencies than he'd resolved for 0.46. And I don't have the
> time to chase those dependencies. Our Linux team is getting ready to
> upgrade the company to RHEL5 over the next few months, so for now we're
> on hold with 0.47, hoping it will build with RHEL5 the first time.
> 


Yes.

The Inkscape development community appears to live in a
utopian world unbridled by the logistic and economic forces
which tend to dominate our decisions in the corporate world.

We all have Linux boxes on our desks because of the scale
of processes we run. We can't afford to do our own system
administration and our system administrators are not going to
install a parallel, virtual operating system (Fedora) so
that we can run some obscure vector drawing application
(No matter how great it is. :-) )

In closing and speaking to you as a competitor, I suggest you
place all integrated circuit development activities on hold
and concentrate all corporate resources on this issue for
the benefit the greater Inkscape user community.

Bill

On 02/17/2010 05:33 PM, Beims Bob-RWBC70 wrote:
>
> One of our Linux gurus finally came up with a build script that worked
> so that we could deploy 0.46. Unfortunately, he has left the company and
> when I tried using his script to build 0.47 a few days ago, it ran into
> different dependencies than he'd resolved for 0.46. And I don't have the
> time to chase those dependencies. Our Linux team is getting ready to
> upgrade the company to RHEL5 over the next few months, so for now we're
> on hold with 0.47, hoping it will build with RHEL5 the first time.

Have you tried to ask the package maintainer to upgrade the version in
EPEL? Currently I'm thinking about poking him intro building 0.48 for 
F12...

--
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com

On Feb 17, 2010, at 7:58 AM, william.crocker@analog.com wrote:

> The Inkscape development community appears to live in a
> utopian world unbridled by the logistic and economic forces
> which tend to dominate our decisions in the corporate world.
> 
> We all have Linux boxes on our desks because of the scale
> of processes we run. We can't afford to do our own system
> administration and our system administrators are not going to
> install a parallel, virtual operating system (Fedora) so
> that we can run some obscure vector drawing application
> (No matter how great it is. :-) )

No, not at all.

In fact I for one live in a world where we try to support as old/weak 
hardware as possible. Among other things, this allowed modern Inkscape 
to be built for the original Eee PC's Xandros distro, etc. We go to 
great pains to ensure we only bump up the dependencies when absolutely 
necessary, and have a very wide range of supported OS versions.

http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Tracking_Dependencies#Distros


Remember, not only are you running something that is based on Fedora 3 
while the main Fedora is up to release 13, but you are running on a 
corporate product that has hit its end of life wind-down phase while its 
replacement has been out for three years now.

Given all that, the burden is a bit on the end user (you and your 
fellows) to help with specifics and to be willing to spend time in our 
chat room to get help building the latest-and-greatest for such 
phasing-out distros.

On 02/17/2010 10:58 AM, william.crocker@analog.com wrote:
 > The Inkscape development community appears to live in a
 > utopian world unbridled by the logistic and economic forces
 > which tend to dominate our decisions in the corporate world.
 >
 > We all have Linux boxes on our desks because of the scale
 > of processes we run. We can't afford to do our own system
 > administration and our system administrators are not going to
 > install a parallel, virtual operating system (Fedora) so
 > that we can run some obscure vector drawing application
 > (No matter how great it is. :-) )
 >
 > In closing and speaking to you as a competitor, I suggest you
 > place all integrated circuit development activities on hold
 > and concentrate all corporate resources on this issue for
 > the benefit the greater Inkscape user community.
 >
 > Bill


Well, apparently the Inkscape devs should not be trying to use newer
technology to make and "obscure" Inkscape better (so that it can be even
more obscure and outdated).

Yes, the Inkscape (indeed, all open software) development world IS
unbridled by the logistic and economic forces of the corporate world.
It's that way be design - that's why it can be as great as it is.

So, to state your point precisely, you think that the people who develop
Inkscape without pay should be adapting the software with their own
unpaid time and unrepaid resources to work on your outdated system (RHEL
4 is in phase 2 - no new software functionality can be expected - it's
obviously going to be outdated) for your commercial company, and God
forbid that anyone should expect that a company which uses a software
for a profit might spend some time and resources making it work for 
them.

Did I get that right?

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of the hard work and long
hours the volunteers of the Inkscape community have put into making
Inkscape for us.  Even if it's not perfect and can't adapt to every
situation.  Thank you sincerely - from the thousands of satisfied users
from whom you may not hear but are nonetheless appreciative.

JF

>  >
> more obscure and outdated).
> forbid that anyone should expect that a company which uses a software 
> for a profit might spend some time and resources making it work for them.
> 
> Did I get that right?
>

Easy there, big fella'.

I was just sharing my on going frustration at not being
able to download and use much of any software these days,
including Inkscape (which is fabulous, even at 0.44).

In my mind I was contrasting this with my ability to develop
software of some complexity using Qt and with little push back
from my outdated system, but I would not want to say that out
load for fear of spiraling this thread out of control.

... and when I said 'obscure' obviously I was relaying the
response I would get from my sys admins if I asked them to
install the latest Inkscape. Their primary goal is to
provide software used by IC designers, not software used by
in-house software developers who are writing software to be
used by IC designers. My frustration mounts.

Bill

On 02/17/2010 01:14 PM, william.crocker@analog.com wrote:
>
> ... and when I said 'obscure' obviously I was relaying the
> response I would get from my sys admins if I asked them to
> install the latest Inkscape. Their primary goal is to
> provide software used by IC designers, not software used by
> in-house software developers who are writing software to be
> used by IC designers. My frustration mounts.
>
> Bill

While this may have been your intention, you came across as bitterly
critical, sarcastic and offensive towards the Inkscape devs - and I
certainly didn't take it personally, in that sense, since I'm not one of
them!

I know I'm not the only person who took it that way.  Please be careful
about how you say things.  It's one thing to express frustration - it's
another to forward undue criticism.

If you want help, just ask for help - it will be given if anyone is
able.  This list is generally very helpful and amicable to inquirers.

JF

P.S. Thank you for your patronizing "Easy there, big fella'", which I
can only assume is meant to make you feel less foolish about my defense
of the Inkscape community.  I'll refrain from returning the favor.

Joshua Facemyer wrote:
>> load for fear of spiraling this thread out of control.
> While this may have been your intention, you came across as bitterly 
> 
> JF
> 
> P.S. Thank you for your patronizing "Easy there, big fella'", which I 
> can only assume is meant to make you feel less foolish about my defense 
> of the Inkscape community.  I'll refrain from returning the favor.
> 

I'm a Seinfeld fan.
It was meant to make me feel comedic.
On reflection it was probably too obscure.

Bill

On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 10:58 -0500, william.crocker@analog.com wrote:
> Beims Bob-RWBC70 wrote:
> > Bill;
> > 
> > You're hitting the same wall that we hit here at my 
> > company last year. We run RHEL4 on thousands of workstations, 
> > and spent many, many hours trying to get 0.46 to build for our
> > standard image. We also spent many hours trying to find a 
> > prebuilt package with no luck.

> The Inkscape development community appears to live in a
> utopian world unbridled by the logistic and economic forces
> which tend to dominate our decisions in the corporate world.

Bob - thanks for jumping in and sharing your experience.
Bill - I understand your frustration. I once felt much the same stuck on
a windows box at a client site unable to access the latest and greatest
Inkscape I was used to running at home on Ubuntu.

Here's a thought:

If you guys are still both using RHEL4 - do you have a Red Hat support
contract? If yes - maybe you could ask them to backport Inkscape for
you? Supporting a distro that old is really beyond the capacity of a
volunteer support army like those of us here - but Red Hat should have
the internal skills and know how to get it working for you. The catch is
you just might have to pay for that expertise...

Red Hat themselves are now onto RH5 and phasing out RH4 - but I'm sure
they've still got customers on older versions... it might be worth a
try... Hey - I know a few people at Red Hat...

<time passes because I sent this from the wrong email address>

so I called a Red Hat employee who indicated he would be willing to help
us out!

So Bill and Bob - can you forward me more specifics off list so I can
get my friend to help you both?  His first thought is that there must be
a YUM repository out there somewhere that has a build you can use, and
if not, he'd be willing to help investigate a back port.

And - as part of all this, let's see if we can do something about the
documentation at the same time.

cheers
Donna

--
Donna Benjamin - kattekrab.net
Community Cheerleader
Inkscape: Open Source Scalable Vector Graphics
http://www.inkscape.org